Despartirea Tarjei de Nightwish. Mai spera cineva ca se vor reuni?

Sincer nu cred ca ar fi sanse...

Magnolia wrote:Sincer nu cred ca ar fi sanse...

trebuie sa ne obisnuim cu gandul ca Tarja nu se mai intoarce in Nightwish....

Nu are niciun motiv pt care sa se intoarca, deci de ce ar face-o? are succes si e fericita. NW au succes si sunt fericiti. Viata merge inainte si nu mai trebuie sa stam sa plangem dupa vechiu NW cand nici noul NW nici tarja nu se mai gandesc la ce a fost.

Asta asa e... Fiecare e fericit pe drumul lui... dar mie cel putin mereu o sa imi para rau dupa vechiul Nightwish...

e la toti o sa ne para rau,k multi dintre noi am crescut cu muzica lor si chiar au fost o formatie de milioane...dar asta e

Mie nu cred ca mi-ar placea daca s-ar intoarce la ei. Adica, ei ar trebui sa o dea afara pe Anette, si daca ar face asta ar scadea mult in ochii mei. Apoi, nu prea cred ca intre ei totul ar putea fi ca inainte de scrisoare.
Si in plus, eu cred ca ea este fericita fara ei, si cred ca si ei se simt bine.
Eu personal as simti ca ceva nu ar fi in regula. Cred ca e mai bine asa cum sunt toti acuma.

Ce ma streseaza topicul asta Nu se mai intoarce si asta e cel mai bine pt ea!

Nu. Ce a fost a fost. Si la cum a decurs povestea, nu.

ambrozi wrote:

Unia wrote:^Probabil, dar tot Tuomas ar trebui sa fie primul care isi cere scuze...

Probabil poate pentru ca a facuto intr-un mod indirect, in rest nu are de ce.

Eu cred ca si Tarja ar putea avea motive sa isi ceara scuze, si cum a mai zis cineva, Syrius cred, e un cerc faaaraaa inceput. Dar eu nu cred ca se vor mai reuni, si nu ar trebui, cred oricum ca relatia dintre ei are fi mult prea rece si distanta ca sa mai fie ce a fost NW odata.

da, si eu cred ca daca s-ar reuni vreodata nu ar mai fi la fel... ar fi ca un fel de prapastie intre ei... dupa tot ce s-a intamplat intre ei e greu sa mai fie la fel... si pe masura ce trece timpul, parca devin din ce in ce mai sigura de faptul ca tarja nu s-ar mai intoarce...

p.s. ei mai vorbesc intre ei? stiam ca nu... dar oare au reinceput? vor reincepe?

nu cred ca mai vorbesc...nu cred ca au timp si au alte preocupari...e trist ca au incheiat prietenia asa dur, dar decat sa se minta, mai bine ca s-au despartit.

Am citit pe undeva ca Tarja ar mai vorbi prin SMS-uri cu Marco dar nu stiu daca e adevarat.

Si am si uitat unde am citit chestia aia.

am raspuns da la partea cu "mai spera careva...".
raspunsul pentru intrebarea pusa "se va intoarce..." e nu...
De ce ne-am minti?

da... ar fi un vis frumos, dar ar ramane doar la stadiul de vis.

Nu am gasit un topic in care sa postez despre subiectul acesta, asa ca am facut unul nou; sper sa nu dublez vreun topic deja existent...

Am gasit un interviu interesant dat de catre Marco, acum un, an lui Steven Rosen de la Ultimate-Guitar.com

Iata reproducerea interviului, in care am subliniat cateva randuri care va vor interesa. In caz ca ati mai citit articolul, imi cer scuze pentru repetitie.



"Ultimate-Guitar.com: What was it like working with [former NIGHTWISH singer] Tarja Turunen?

Marco: Well, working with Tarja at first was really easy; she was — at least at the time — she was down to earth like a Finnish country girl and we were Finnish country boys. So, pretty easy. I still think that basically what led to the breakup was she listened to some really bad advice from her husband and ended up thinking she, as herself, is way too valuable compared to us. And [that] they can dictate the rules. However, it wasn't that way. We didn't put up with it and that's it.

Ultimate-Guitar.com: What was that process like in replacing Tarja? Did you think it was going to be an impossible task or did you feel secure that you could find someone pretty easily?

Marco: It was really funny because I think we got over 2,000 demos and we basically listened to all of them. I think I listened to something like 700 myself. What I found out was there were like a lot of potential singers, a lot of good singers, but people who were still wet behind the ears. So, in order to grow into the band they would need like one or two albums and probably would have done well after that. But of course we wanted to have somebody who would have the sounds down immediately. And this is how we ended up with Anette [Olzon] because she sounds like she had her thing down; she had a lot of energy to pull out and a high voice that has this really good like a tone of her own.

Ultimate-Guitar.com: What were some of the early recording sessions like with Anette? Was it a simple thing to work her into the framework of the band?

Marco: We basically had like instrumental versions of the old albums and she sang over them. Then we kind of invited her over to Finland to a rehearsal room and did some of those live and could hear that, "OK, she can do it." And then we moved with like a few of the demos that we've done for the upcoming album which eventually became "Dark Passion Play" and she sang those over. We were pleased.

Ultimate-Guitar.com: So, when she was actually in the studio and the record button was pushed, you knew that you had made the right decision in bringing her into NIGHTWISH?

Marco: Pretty much, yeah. Well, I guess we had a few songs from the new stuff and she went over them and we were really pleased. She could keep the tone, have the strength and have the sensitivity and all those things in between and everything. So, yeah.

Ultimate-Guitar.com: And then logically, let's talk about how the tracks themselves were recorded. The first single from "Dark Passion Play" was "Eva", a symphonic ballad with strings and piano and horns. There is a brilliant modulation following the solo and every aspect of the instrumentation screams epic. In fact, the classical instruments are recorded completely separate from the guitars and drums, correct?

Marco: Well, the studio process for "Eva" and for the whole album was, when we still didn't have a singer, we still spent two months in the summer of 2006, going over the stuff, rehearsing it and everything and discussing about what kinds of like orchestral stuff we would like to have on it. Even though mainly Tuomas [keyboards], of course, he writes the music and all the lyrics, (there was) some musical input from me and Emppu, the guitar player, as well. After some while after that, we got into the studio and started recording things. You know, what basic studio work is: You do like bottom line where you try to play as much as you can with the whole and then you're starting to go over bass tracks and guitar tracks and stuff; dubbing and doing like new stuff, keyboard stuff. And then the guys go to this orchestra and Abbey Road Studios for it in London. I was pretty pissed because I had to miss it; I was doing some vocal arranging and producing for AMORPHIS, if you know the band? That thing, it got stretched and we had to book four more days and everything so in the end, I missed the Abbey Road because of that. But from the guys I heard that it was pretty really amazing to hear like your stuff by played by real, real goddamned professionals! Still, about the studio thing as well, we had basically all the orchestral stuff recorded before we actually took Anette then into the studio to record the whole album. And, of course, I think it was something that she was a little bit scared but still managed to do a really good job. And by the time we get to the next one and everything, I think she'll be more involved in the whole like thing when we rehearse and arrange the whole stuff together. This time, she didn't really have a chance for it.

Ultimate-Guitar.com: We touched before on the heart of NIGHTWISH's music and that was good songs. But it's more than that — the music is smart without sounding overbearing; it challenged the listener. The band is like an acquired taste — it requires multiple listenings to really understand everything that is going on.

Marco: That is something I agree on. For instance, "Dark Passion Play" is pretty heavy to take on in one listen. And to be honest, in the process of making and listening to it multiple times, I kind of found myself into it. Even though we had done real rehearsing for a long time, but still, getting it down, getting all the instruments, the orchestras, the choirs, getting vocals and everything, it grew onto me. And even though I had a great trust for the whole project, even when we started it and I heard some demo songs from Tuomas and he heard mine, we had this kind of trust, "OK, we're gonna build this into something really good." But then again, the end always seems to surpass the expectations.

Ultimate-Guitar.com: Have you thought at all about a new album?

Marco: Yeah, I know that Tuomas has some songs; I've got some stuff that when we get off of tour, I should demo at home. We'd like to start exchanging some CDs and stuff and see what comes out of it.

Ultimate-Guitar.com: And something you referred to earlier, that this would be Anette's second album with NIGHTWISH and that you think her involvement will be much greater.

Marco: Yeah, that is true. This time around we were just trying to find out where we were in the woods so to speak because we really didn't know that. From the demos we had some inclination about what kind of ranges and what kind of keys we would use for the songs and all that. But this time, it'll be a lot easier; we can walk her straight to the business when we start out."

You'll NEVER Walk Alone!...

Personal, cred ca ideea cea mai importanta a interviului nu era faptul ca Anette s-a dovedit a fi piesa lipsa din puzzle-ul Nightwish. La urma urmei, baietii au ales pe cine li s-a parut lor ca se potriveste mai bine pe proiectele lor de viitor. Ca ne place noua sau nu, e treaba fiecaruia. Putem sa ascultam/sau nu, in continuare, trupa asta care ne-a strans aici pe toti.

Mie mi se pare cu mult mai importanta fraza in care Marco descrie colaborarea cu Tarja. Majoritatea credeau ca nemultumirile fata de Tarja si Marcelo tin, cu preponderenta, de Tuomas. Iata ca Marco sustine aceleasi lucruri, la finele anului 2008.

Poate ca Marcelo chiar a pus interesele economice inaintea spiritului Nightwish, creand prapastia intre Tarja si restul trupei. Poate chiar a manipulat-o si influentat-o indirectia asta. La urma urmei, Tarja e om, iar dragostea e oarba.

You'll NEVER Walk Alone!...

eu sincer mi-as dori macar o colborare
ar fi minunat! Tarja and Nightwish togheter on the stage again!
ar fi super....dar n-o sa se intample

OceanSoul wrote:eu sincer mi-as dori macar o colborare
ar fi minunat! Tarja and Nightwish togheter on the stage again!
ar fi super....dar n-o sa se intample

I wish that too...

o haideti... se va intampla iar. ganditi pozitiv!!!!
cineva tot trebe sa le faca odata o farsa... pana si pe aia de la abba i-au facut sa se mai vada public impreuna... dupa 20 de ani ce e drept...
hm... o sa astept

EnsimmainenEnkeli wrote:o haideti... se va intampla iar. ganditi pozitiv!!!!
cineva tot trebe sa le faca odata o farsa... pana si pe aia de la abba i-au facut sa se mai vada public impreuna... dupa 20 de ani ce e drept...
hm... o sa astept

ar fi tare

OceanSoul wrote:eu sincer mi-as dori macar o colborare
ar fi minunat! Tarja and Nightwish togheter on the stage again!
ar fi super....dar n-o sa se intample

ar fi cel mai minunat, superb lucru!!!

am visat intr-o seara ca nw dadeau un concert...si cum aveau ei afisul obisnuit numai ca pe fata lui anette scria ceva de genu "surpriza" si...cand vine concertul ...ei bine..incep cu dark chest of wonders..cu tarja...
eh..vise...

nu stiu daca a mai fost postat clipul asta, iar urmatoarele nu prea stiu unde sa le pun


^ funny as hell


EDIT:

Eu unul sper sa se reuneasca,deoarece Nightwish suna foarte bine cu Tarja.Tarja era facuta pentru Nightwih.Bafta

Ar fi un vis devenit realitate ca macar sa exite o colaborare intre ei, mai ales ca nu am apucat sa-i vad live impreuna.

Am jurat ca daca se reunesc ma duc la primul concert sustinut de ei! I can't stop watching "end of an era" again and again!!